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		<title>By: NT</title>
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		<dc:creator>NT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fully agree with Heath, and am a fellow Minnesotan. I just recently got back into cycling, and at the wise words of my older brother, went to 4 different shops to test ride the bikes i was considering buying. The first two were the dreaded Erik's bike shops... The employee i worked with was your stereotypical bike snob and refused to let me test ride a sub $1000 Specialized bike unless i paid $35 for a fitting that "would be refunded when i purchased the bike" Even after i repeated that i knew the final fit would fine tune everything to make the ride alittle better. I left that store upset. Spoke with a friend whose a mechanic at another Erik's who promised i could simply give a CC and ID to the staff and test ride whatever i wanted. Went to a different Erik's and sure enough (at my mention of CC and ID) was able to test ride the bike. And guess what, i didn't like the ride or the component group as much as i thought i would. And now vow to never buy anything from Erik's.


Long story short, i ended up at Now Bikes and Fitness and had hands down, the best customer service i've ever had in my life. I test road bikes for 3 hours and finally found the right bike for me. Their staff is knowledgeable (most do Tri's and the owner custom builds high end bikes) and not once treated me like an inferior being. I walked out of that store $1800 lighter than when i walked in. And i was more than happy to do it because of the experience I had and On my return visits, have been able to relax, shoot the shiz and drop copious amounts of money.


The Consumer Experience is the #1 most important thing retailers can get right.


Good article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully agree with Heath, and am a fellow Minnesotan. I just recently got back into cycling, and at the wise words of my older brother, went to 4 different shops to test ride the bikes i was considering buying. The first two were the dreaded Erik&#8217;s bike shops&#8230; The employee i worked with was your stereotypical bike snob and refused to let me test ride a sub $1000 Specialized bike unless i paid $35 for a fitting that &#8220;would be refunded when i purchased the bike&#8221; Even after i repeated that i knew the final fit would fine tune everything to make the ride alittle better. I left that store upset. Spoke with a friend whose a mechanic at another Erik&#8217;s who promised i could simply give a CC and ID to the staff and test ride whatever i wanted. Went to a different Erik&#8217;s and sure enough (at my mention of CC and ID) was able to test ride the bike. And guess what, i didn&#8217;t like the ride or the component group as much as i thought i would. And now vow to never buy anything from Erik&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Long story short, i ended up at Now Bikes and Fitness and had hands down, the best customer service i&#8217;ve ever had in my life. I test road bikes for 3 hours and finally found the right bike for me. Their staff is knowledgeable (most do Tri&#8217;s and the owner custom builds high end bikes) and not once treated me like an inferior being. I walked out of that store $1800 lighter than when i walked in. And i was more than happy to do it because of the experience I had and On my return visits, have been able to relax, shoot the shiz and drop copious amounts of money.</p>
<p>The Consumer Experience is the #1 most important thing retailers can get right.</p>
<p>Good article.</p>
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		<title>By: Heath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have bike commuted for the past four years.  One year in the traffic of Taipei, Taiwan and three years including the coldest winter days in Minnesota.  I have been an active biker since the days of Biopace chain rings.  I purchased my first good bike in 1984.

As the owner of 5 bikes from a full suspension mt. bike to 1950's racing bike to a homemade doubl- decker, I ride often and spend a lot of money on bikes.  I know what I want most of the time and ask thoughtful questions when I don't.

I try to be patient when some inexperienced bike shop worker gives me a line of b.s., tries to sell me a product I don't want or says I can order it for you.  However, I'm often outraged by some jerk who sees my gut and sizes me up as being unworthy.

Until this changes, I will go to your shop, try on the Sidis for fit and order them online without remorse.  I will tolerate you and your crappy service so long as it serves me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have bike commuted for the past four years.  One year in the traffic of Taipei, Taiwan and three years including the coldest winter days in Minnesota.  I have been an active biker since the days of Biopace chain rings.  I purchased my first good bike in 1984.</p>
<p>As the owner of 5 bikes from a full suspension mt. bike to 1950&#8217;s racing bike to a homemade doubl- decker, I ride often and spend a lot of money on bikes.  I know what I want most of the time and ask thoughtful questions when I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I try to be patient when some inexperienced bike shop worker gives me a line of b.s., tries to sell me a product I don&#8217;t want or says I can order it for you.  However, I&#8217;m often outraged by some jerk who sees my gut and sizes me up as being unworthy.</p>
<p>Until this changes, I will go to your shop, try on the Sidis for fit and order them online without remorse.  I will tolerate you and your crappy service so long as it serves me.</p>
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		<title>By: Someone in MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Someone in MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just happened upon your post and I really got a kick out of it. Just yesterday I went to a certain bike shop  and got the exact same treatment and attitude. I tried to buy a used, beat up, 15 year old, nothing special part from their junk yard and they wanted a ridiculous amount of money for it. I went home and bought a new, better, part online and it cost me the same! I suspect they were trying to screw me because I'm not a member of their elite fixed gear clique. Anyway, you hit the nail on the head and I appreciate the venue to vent.
People in all business need to realize how important good service is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just happened upon your post and I really got a kick out of it. Just yesterday I went to a certain bike shop  and got the exact same treatment and attitude. I tried to buy a used, beat up, 15 year old, nothing special part from their junk yard and they wanted a ridiculous amount of money for it. I went home and bought a new, better, part online and it cost me the same! I suspect they were trying to screw me because I&#8217;m not a member of their elite fixed gear clique. Anyway, you hit the nail on the head and I appreciate the venue to vent.<br />
People in all business need to realize how important good service is.</p>
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		<title>By: Pleasure and Pain &#62;&#62; Links from 5/14/2008 to 5/16/2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pleasure and Pain &#62;&#62; Links from 5/14/2008 to 5/16/2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 05:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The importance of people in experience design (or, why most people hate bike shops)Henning Fischer talks about redesigning person-to-person interaction [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The importance of people in experience design (or, why most people hate bike shops)Henning Fischer talks about redesigning person-to-person interaction [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Henning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad - 

Definitely quite familiar with it. Thanks for pointing it out though. It's a great case study.</description>
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<p>Definitely quite familiar with it. Thanks for pointing it out though. It&#8217;s a great case study.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Harrelson (dot com) &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Good Week for Cycling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Harrelson (dot com) &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Good Week for Cycling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Henning crafted a great post on the Adaptive Path blog drawing and analogy between customer service in bike shops and the people in technology organizations. &#8220;You walk in to the local shop and the guy (inevitably) behind the counter gives you a look that makes most people’s stomachs drop. Something like Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons, but with tattoos and three times the attitude (grease coating optional). You feel unworthy. You feel stupid. He unnerves you with the smug condescension that most shop guys have.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Henning crafted a great post on the Adaptive Path blog drawing and analogy between customer service in bike shops and the people in technology organizations. &#8220;You walk in to the local shop and the guy (inevitably) behind the counter gives you a look that makes most people’s stomachs drop. Something like Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons, but with tattoos and three times the attitude (grease coating optional). You feel unworthy. You feel stupid. He unnerves you with the smug condescension that most shop guys have.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Lauster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Lauster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Henning - sounds like you're not familiar with the work that IDEO did for Shimano. 

Coasting bicycle design strategy 
http://www.ideo.com/portfolio/re.asp?x=19004998

One of things they focused on was "The purchasing experience - independent bicycle dealers need to learn to engage with a new customer base that may include more women, amateurs, and inexperienced bikers."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Henning - sounds like you&#8217;re not familiar with the work that IDEO did for Shimano. </p>
<p>Coasting bicycle design strategy<br />
<a href="http://www.ideo.com/portfolio/re.asp?x=19004998" rel="nofollow">http://www.ideo.com/portfolio/re.asp?x=19004998</a></p>
<p>One of things they focused on was &#8220;The purchasing experience - independent bicycle dealers need to learn to engage with a new customer base that may include more women, amateurs, and inexperienced bikers.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Henning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven - 

I agree completely, go find another bike shop. The hitch, for me at least, is that in theory there should be more, better bike shops out there due the generally lousy service out there. While every market has standouts at both ends of the spectrum, I suspect something else might be at play, and I think that has a lot to do with 2 things:

1) The economics of bicycle shops: feast/famine cash flow, massive inventory overhead, supplier contract riders (if you carry my bikes, you have to carry my accessories), skilled but underpaid workforce, etc. There isn't much motivation for management and staff to stay on board over the long term unless they REALLY LOVE bikes. This leads to large disincentives to change the current model. The shops that invest in their staff experience are generally the ones that deliver superior customer experience.

2) The paradox of choice. In speaking with dealers, one of the largest problems they face is the sheer number of makes and models available on the marketplace today. In terms of types, there's a bike for every day of the week and two on Sunday. With accessories it's even worse. What ends up happening is that consumers get confused, insist on and then buy the wrong thing. Coupled with some of those nasty economic incentives, this leads to service issues and returns, which fosters the "I told you so" attitude so pervasive among staff. And this is the opportunity to change the human aspects of interaction. Good shops, with good curation, and smart manufacturers, with well managed product portfolios, have made steps in the right direction. I have great relationships with shop staff that have been cultivated over years. It shouldn't take that long though.  

To me, the opportunity for good shops like yours seems to be the fit between a revised model of bike shop economics (there are examples out there) as well as a designed take on the customer experience that takes into account the human element. The human element can turn the best business and experience strategy into something truly transformational (a la Chip Conley). Simply switching shops, as you suggest, is an option, but one that is subject to a high rate of failure given the crowded landscape of sub-par experiences out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven - </p>
<p>I agree completely, go find another bike shop. The hitch, for me at least, is that in theory there should be more, better bike shops out there due the generally lousy service out there. While every market has standouts at both ends of the spectrum, I suspect something else might be at play, and I think that has a lot to do with 2 things:</p>
<p>1) The economics of bicycle shops: feast/famine cash flow, massive inventory overhead, supplier contract riders (if you carry my bikes, you have to carry my accessories), skilled but underpaid workforce, etc. There isn&#8217;t much motivation for management and staff to stay on board over the long term unless they REALLY LOVE bikes. This leads to large disincentives to change the current model. The shops that invest in their staff experience are generally the ones that deliver superior customer experience.</p>
<p>2) The paradox of choice. In speaking with dealers, one of the largest problems they face is the sheer number of makes and models available on the marketplace today. In terms of types, there&#8217;s a bike for every day of the week and two on Sunday. With accessories it&#8217;s even worse. What ends up happening is that consumers get confused, insist on and then buy the wrong thing. Coupled with some of those nasty economic incentives, this leads to service issues and returns, which fosters the &#8220;I told you so&#8221; attitude so pervasive among staff. And this is the opportunity to change the human aspects of interaction. Good shops, with good curation, and smart manufacturers, with well managed product portfolios, have made steps in the right direction. I have great relationships with shop staff that have been cultivated over years. It shouldn&#8217;t take that long though.  </p>
<p>To me, the opportunity for good shops like yours seems to be the fit between a revised model of bike shop economics (there are examples out there) as well as a designed take on the customer experience that takes into account the human element. The human element can turn the best business and experience strategy into something truly transformational (a la Chip Conley). Simply switching shops, as you suggest, is an option, but one that is subject to a high rate of failure given the crowded landscape of sub-par experiences out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Szuc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Szuc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 12:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its the small things that matter. 

See this especially in hotel stays - hotels can offer same facilities across the board -- but a smile, a useful tip, an easy check out, bending a rule for a customer, prompt service behind the front desk all helps to make the experience that much nicer and makes you want to visit again.

Yep, its the small things that matter :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its the small things that matter. </p>
<p>See this especially in hotel stays - hotels can offer same facilities across the board &#8212; but a smile, a useful tip, an easy check out, bending a rule for a customer, prompt service behind the front desk all helps to make the experience that much nicer and makes you want to visit again.</p>
<p>Yep, its the small things that matter <img src='http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Steven Hoober</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Hoober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Find a better bike shop, and give them all your business. I exclusively go to (and recommend) Bike America on 95th street. If you are in the KC metro area, at least. Everyone else is out of luck. 

Oddly, some people I know seem to enjoy being punished, and keep going back to the smarmy Trek stores, for example, despite poor quality, rude service. They have awful nice floors, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Find a better bike shop, and give them all your business. I exclusively go to (and recommend) Bike America on 95th street. If you are in the KC metro area, at least. Everyone else is out of luck. </p>
<p>Oddly, some people I know seem to enjoy being punished, and keep going back to the smarmy Trek stores, for example, despite poor quality, rude service. They have awful nice floors, though.</p>
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