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	<title>Comments on: Smash The Table!</title>
	<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/04/19/smash-the-table/</link>
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		<title>By: Tony Golsby-Smith of 2nd Road Visits CMU &#124; jamin.org</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/04/19/smash-the-table/#comment-177383</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Golsby-Smith of 2nd Road Visits CMU &#124; jamin.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/04/19/smash-the-table/#comment-177383</guid>
		<description>[...] can consume and make their own, or can it stand on its own, and as Dan Saffer recently said, smash the table [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] can consume and make their own, or can it stand on its own, and as Dan Saffer recently said, smash the table [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Intelligent Experience Design &#187; Articles &#187; UX News Round-Up for April 22, 2008</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/04/19/smash-the-table/#comment-177371</link>
		<dc:creator>Intelligent Experience Design &#187; Articles &#187; UX News Round-Up for April 22, 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/04/19/smash-the-table/#comment-177371</guid>
		<description>[...] Saffer quotes a fall 2007 Design Observer article in his blog post about designers and their relationship with management. Although there may be a persistent desire on the part of designers to get a place at the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Saffer quotes a fall 2007 Design Observer article in his blog post about designers and their relationship with management. Although there may be a persistent desire on the part of designers to get a place at the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Jamin</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/04/19/smash-the-table/#comment-177352</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/04/19/smash-the-table/#comment-177352</guid>
		<description>I'm wondering about the motivation for being at the table. Is it because the great products and services designers make are not implemented or not implemented well, and designers want to make sure that they are? Or is it that the organizations designers work for are not well designed, and we want to redesign the organization itself? 

Both cases seem to point to organizations not being designed well for innovation or design. In the former, if the goal of the consultancy is not to redesign the organization, I'm not sure what being at the table will accomplish, as the organization will have the same systemic problems once the consultancy pulls out regardless of the ephemeral influence. I'm also not sure that making great products and services will inherently change the table or organizations, as we are trusting that the current ineffective systems that are causing designers headaches will be redesigned effectively by the same people who designed them poorly in the first place.

If designers want to be at the table to redesign the organization, making products may not be the road to the table. In that case, I agree, allies are needed, at least until credibility is built. Again, if the goal isn't to change the system, why sit at the table? But if the goal is to make great products, why would that effectively change the system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering about the motivation for being at the table. Is it because the great products and services designers make are not implemented or not implemented well, and designers want to make sure that they are? Or is it that the organizations designers work for are not well designed, and we want to redesign the organization itself? </p>
<p>Both cases seem to point to organizations not being designed well for innovation or design. In the former, if the goal of the consultancy is not to redesign the organization, I&#8217;m not sure what being at the table will accomplish, as the organization will have the same systemic problems once the consultancy pulls out regardless of the ephemeral influence. I&#8217;m also not sure that making great products and services will inherently change the table or organizations, as we are trusting that the current ineffective systems that are causing designers headaches will be redesigned effectively by the same people who designed them poorly in the first place.</p>
<p>If designers want to be at the table to redesign the organization, making products may not be the road to the table. In that case, I agree, allies are needed, at least until credibility is built. Again, if the goal isn&#8217;t to change the system, why sit at the table? But if the goal is to make great products, why would that effectively change the system?</p>
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		<title>By: Designer Perception &#171; ../. Citrus Innovation ../.</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/04/19/smash-the-table/#comment-177339</link>
		<dc:creator>Designer Perception &#171; ../. Citrus Innovation ../.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/04/19/smash-the-table/#comment-177339</guid>
		<description>[...] at Adaptive Path posted recently about this, here. His take is that the table may get bigger or even better, smashed, if designers do their job [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] at Adaptive Path posted recently about this, here. His take is that the table may get bigger or even better, smashed, if designers do their job [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Experience is Everything &#187; Smash the Table!</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/04/19/smash-the-table/#comment-177336</link>
		<dc:creator>Experience is Everything &#187; Smash the Table!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/04/19/smash-the-table/#comment-177336</guid>
		<description>[...] details it takes to run a business–many of which fight against putting out great products. &#8211;Dan Saffer   April 20, 2008  Link    var gaJsHost = (("https:" == document.location.protocol) ? "https://ssl." [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] details it takes to run a business–many of which fight against putting out great products. &#8211;Dan Saffer   April 20, 2008  Link    var gaJsHost = ((&#8221;https:&#8221; == document.location.protocol) ? &#8220;https://ssl.&#8221; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: chadvavra</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/04/19/smash-the-table/#comment-177334</link>
		<dc:creator>chadvavra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/04/19/smash-the-table/#comment-177334</guid>
		<description>yes yes yes.

I was just putting together a page of thoughts around my experience in Art/Design school.  I was almost 3 years in and was getting burnt out, fortunately my adviser noticed and asked what was up.  I told him that I didn't want to be a creative if it just meant knowing what every other creative had already done.  Art History pissed me off, studio classes all had a lecture that was just more history.  History just taught us who was "at the table" or who the people there now think should have been there.

He looked at me and said "art history teaches you the rules, so you can break them."  

I wanted to be at the table making the rules, I was 21 and thought I was a genius, but I realize now that the worst place I ever could have ended up is on the other side, at the table, critiquing a guy like me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes yes yes.</p>
<p>I was just putting together a page of thoughts around my experience in Art/Design school.  I was almost 3 years in and was getting burnt out, fortunately my adviser noticed and asked what was up.  I told him that I didn&#8217;t want to be a creative if it just meant knowing what every other creative had already done.  Art History pissed me off, studio classes all had a lecture that was just more history.  History just taught us who was &#8220;at the table&#8221; or who the people there now think should have been there.</p>
<p>He looked at me and said &#8220;art history teaches you the rules, so you can break them.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I wanted to be at the table making the rules, I was 21 and thought I was a genius, but I realize now that the worst place I ever could have ended up is on the other side, at the table, critiquing a guy like me.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan stegall &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links for April 19th</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/04/19/smash-the-table/#comment-177305</link>
		<dc:creator>jonathan stegall &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Links for April 19th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/04/19/smash-the-table/#comment-177305</guid>
		<description>[...] adaptive path » blog » Dan Saffer » Smash The Table!  (tags: business culture design) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] adaptive path » blog » Dan Saffer » Smash The Table!  (tags: business culture design) [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/04/19/smash-the-table/#comment-177303</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/04/19/smash-the-table/#comment-177303</guid>
		<description>I'm not even so sure there is a Table, most of the time. I bet a lot of our counterparts on the software development staffs, in project management teams, or in the customer service departments also pine to be allowed to sit at "the Table", but then go off and make the dozens of small daily decisions that actually get things done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not even so sure there is a Table, most of the time. I bet a lot of our counterparts on the software development staffs, in project management teams, or in the customer service departments also pine to be allowed to sit at &#8220;the Table&#8221;, but then go off and make the dozens of small daily decisions that actually get things done.</p>
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