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		<title>By: Daniel Szuc</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-177228</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Szuc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-177228</guid>
		<description>A good read and relevant to the discussion -- "Call that kawfee? New York embraces better brew" -- http://www.theage.com.au/news/united-states/you-call-that-kawfee/2008/04/15/1208025165086.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good read and relevant to the discussion &#8212; &#8220;Call that kawfee? New York embraces better brew&#8221; &#8212; <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/united-states/you-call-that-kawfee/2008/04/15/1208025165086.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theage.com.au/news/united-states/you-call-that-kawfee/2008/04/15/1208025165086.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dan Harrelson</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176498</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Harrelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 01:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176498</guid>
		<description>Starbucks recently announced a switch from T-Mobile to AT&#38;T for WiFi service in their stores. The brilliance of this change is the 2 free hours of wireless access. Why? The free WiFi is for starbucks card holders only. This isn't the credit card, this is the refillable card used to purchase a cup of Joe.

Think about it. Everyone now has a free wireless hotspot within close proximity to work and home (Starbucks stores are everywhere). All they need is a membership card. The barrier to getting one of these cards is minimal: put a few bucks on it and use it whenever or never. Now Starbucks has put a piece of plastic in everyone's wallet with their logo. Visa is probably the only other company to claim that.

Maybe the next step would be to ensure that everyone drinks from a Starbucks travel mug. Follow in Whole Foods footsteps and initiate a green campaign to limit the use of paper cups and give free cups to customers along with incentives to use them frequently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starbucks recently announced a switch from T-Mobile to AT&amp;T for WiFi service in their stores. The brilliance of this change is the 2 free hours of wireless access. Why? The free WiFi is for starbucks card holders only. This isn&#8217;t the credit card, this is the refillable card used to purchase a cup of Joe.</p>
<p>Think about it. Everyone now has a free wireless hotspot within close proximity to work and home (Starbucks stores are everywhere). All they need is a membership card. The barrier to getting one of these cards is minimal: put a few bucks on it and use it whenever or never. Now Starbucks has put a piece of plastic in everyone&#8217;s wallet with their logo. Visa is probably the only other company to claim that.</p>
<p>Maybe the next step would be to ensure that everyone drinks from a Starbucks travel mug. Follow in Whole Foods footsteps and initiate a green campaign to limit the use of paper cups and give free cups to customers along with incentives to use them frequently.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176488</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176488</guid>
		<description>"And they need to do..." do they? Do we think that Starbucks is a failure or a resounding success?


When did the switch happen? When the stock price fell? When targets expected by industry analysts are not inline with actual? Let's face it, Starbucks is massively successful and sure they need some tweaking which is a byproduct of _any large multi-national_ company.

Everyone's product could be better. I don't really get where Starbucks needs to get a lot better than other enterprises (like Peoplesoft's horrendous apps)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And they need to do&#8230;&#8221; do they? Do we think that Starbucks is a failure or a resounding success?</p>
<p>When did the switch happen? When the stock price fell? When targets expected by industry analysts are not inline with actual? Let&#8217;s face it, Starbucks is massively successful and sure they need some tweaking which is a byproduct of _any large multi-national_ company.</p>
<p>Everyone&#8217;s product could be better. I don&#8217;t really get where Starbucks needs to get a lot better than other enterprises (like Peoplesoft&#8217;s horrendous apps)</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176487</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 02:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176487</guid>
		<description>Does anyone _really_ hang out at the Apple Store? The parallels drawn to the Apple store don't extend to Starbucks.

Apple has a "cool" halo around it, Starbucks does not, and should not. I think your overall point is correct (obviously) focus on the total experience, of which, a good (not superlative) cuppa joe is just a part of that.

I would say they already mastered the art of a controlled experience. Starbuck in China, of which I've visited about 5, is surprising how well they have mastered a controlled experience that is identical store to store. 

The parallel you should be drawing to Apple is... How does Starbucks keep their experience fresh and exciting? The  comparison is flawed ultimately because Apple has freshness and excitement merely because they can announce new or revised products nearly every month. Starbucks cannot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone _really_ hang out at the Apple Store? The parallels drawn to the Apple store don&#8217;t extend to Starbucks.</p>
<p>Apple has a &#8220;cool&#8221; halo around it, Starbucks does not, and should not. I think your overall point is correct (obviously) focus on the total experience, of which, a good (not superlative) cuppa joe is just a part of that.</p>
<p>I would say they already mastered the art of a controlled experience. Starbuck in China, of which I&#8217;ve visited about 5, is surprising how well they have mastered a controlled experience that is identical store to store. </p>
<p>The parallel you should be drawing to Apple is&#8230; How does Starbucks keep their experience fresh and exciting? The  comparison is flawed ultimately because Apple has freshness and excitement merely because they can announce new or revised products nearly every month. Starbucks cannot.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamin</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176478</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176478</guid>
		<description>It may be a mistake to separate the coffee from the experience. The coffee is indeed part of the experience that if removed would make Starbucks a very different experience. If working to improve the Starbucks experience, understanding the role of quality coffee should certainly be examined. I would be wary to say that Starbucks is not about the coffee. But it is true that Starbucks is not only about the coffee.

It may also be useful to recognize the different goals customers have: end goals (get coffee), experience goals (feel unique: double tall sugar-free hazelnut latte), life goals (only have the best).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be a mistake to separate the coffee from the experience. The coffee is indeed part of the experience that if removed would make Starbucks a very different experience. If working to improve the Starbucks experience, understanding the role of quality coffee should certainly be examined. I would be wary to say that Starbucks is not about the coffee. But it is true that Starbucks is not only about the coffee.</p>
<p>It may also be useful to recognize the different goals customers have: end goals (get coffee), experience goals (feel unique: double tall sugar-free hazelnut latte), life goals (only have the best).</p>
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		<title>By: chadvavra</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176464</link>
		<dc:creator>chadvavra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176464</guid>
		<description>It's a well known fact that Dunkin Donuts is taking a HUGE percent of the Starbucks profit away, but they don't embody any of what you are suggesting.  They market to the everyman with price and controlled vocabularies and succeed doing it.

I can see that Starbucks doesn't need or want to be Dunkin Donuts, but outside of cities like NYC, San Fran, Chicago, etc.  is there a need for place to hang out?

I lived in the midwest, I drove everywhere.  Starbucks was not a unplanned stop.  

I suspect the market is saturated and outside of big cities they should just be a nice coffee shop..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a well known fact that Dunkin Donuts is taking a HUGE percent of the Starbucks profit away, but they don&#8217;t embody any of what you are suggesting.  They market to the everyman with price and controlled vocabularies and succeed doing it.</p>
<p>I can see that Starbucks doesn&#8217;t need or want to be Dunkin Donuts, but outside of cities like NYC, San Fran, Chicago, etc.  is there a need for place to hang out?</p>
<p>I lived in the midwest, I drove everywhere.  Starbucks was not a unplanned stop.  </p>
<p>I suspect the market is saturated and outside of big cities they should just be a nice coffee shop..</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Dorny</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176461</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Dorny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176461</guid>
		<description>I tend to prefer thinking of coffee shops as a intellectual and social centerpoint, no matter how well they all perform that individually, or how good the actual coffee is (though, admittedly, that's why I'd visit &lt;b&gt;your&lt;/b&gt; shop instead of the others).
I would love to see the term Pub come back into existence as a Public House where the community comes to share ideas and snacks, beer, coffee, what have you. Of course there are limitations, but i have limitations on how many strip malls I stop at for inspiration (== none).
I want Starbucks and the others to be social coffee shops but there are more product stands that cramp my style than I'm ready to cope with.
Excuse me…

Great article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to prefer thinking of coffee shops as a intellectual and social centerpoint, no matter how well they all perform that individually, or how good the actual coffee is (though, admittedly, that&#8217;s why I&#8217;d visit <b>your</b> shop instead of the others).<br />
I would love to see the term Pub come back into existence as a Public House where the community comes to share ideas and snacks, beer, coffee, what have you. Of course there are limitations, but i have limitations on how many strip malls I stop at for inspiration (== none).<br />
I want Starbucks and the others to be social coffee shops but there are more product stands that cramp my style than I&#8217;m ready to cope with.<br />
Excuse me…</p>
<p>Great article.</p>
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		<title>By: Henning</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176460</link>
		<dc:creator>Henning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176460</guid>
		<description>Sorry guys, but it is fundamentally about the quality of the product. The examples that you cite all have that in common. Whole Foods has great food, Ritual has great coffee and Apple makes great computers. The thing that the larger brands do well is create an environment in which the perception of the quality of their products is accentuated. Right now I get the impression that Starbucks is about selling me cds and mugs, not coffee. They have done a great job of telling me through their over merchandised, production line store environments that they don't care about what I am there for, which is the drink. And that's where the experience breaks down. Refocus the experience around the drink, which is the thing that made your 15 minutes nice in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry guys, but it is fundamentally about the quality of the product. The examples that you cite all have that in common. Whole Foods has great food, Ritual has great coffee and Apple makes great computers. The thing that the larger brands do well is create an environment in which the perception of the quality of their products is accentuated. Right now I get the impression that Starbucks is about selling me cds and mugs, not coffee. They have done a great job of telling me through their over merchandised, production line store environments that they don&#8217;t care about what I am there for, which is the drink. And that&#8217;s where the experience breaks down. Refocus the experience around the drink, which is the thing that made your 15 minutes nice in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: indi young</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176459</link>
		<dc:creator>indi young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176459</guid>
		<description>I'm not a coffee drinker, but I use Starbucks sites a lot.  I "pay" for my use of their site by purchasing a slice of banana bread.  So, absolutely, it's not about the coffee.  You could imagine a set of reasons why people use Starbucks sites:

- stop on the way to work to wake up in the morning
- take a business discussion offline, over a coffee break
- feed my snack craving
- work, but feel like I have companionship (rather than working alone at
home)
- conduct a meeting with business associate (conference room w/out walls)
- chat privately with a friend
- cram for a test
- study, possibly meet other students studying the same thing
- kill time before my meeting, reading
- talk about a movie I just saw with companions/others around me
- find out what's going on in this little part of the neighborhood</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a coffee drinker, but I use Starbucks sites a lot.  I &#8220;pay&#8221; for my use of their site by purchasing a slice of banana bread.  So, absolutely, it&#8217;s not about the coffee.  You could imagine a set of reasons why people use Starbucks sites:</p>
<p>- stop on the way to work to wake up in the morning<br />
- take a business discussion offline, over a coffee break<br />
- feed my snack craving<br />
- work, but feel like I have companionship (rather than working alone at<br />
home)<br />
- conduct a meeting with business associate (conference room w/out walls)<br />
- chat privately with a friend<br />
- cram for a test<br />
- study, possibly meet other students studying the same thing<br />
- kill time before my meeting, reading<br />
- talk about a movie I just saw with companions/others around me<br />
- find out what&#8217;s going on in this little part of the neighborhood</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Szuc</title>
		<link>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176457</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Szuc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/2008/02/25/starbucks-is-not-about-the-coffee/#comment-176457</guid>
		<description>Its been interesting to watch Pacific Coffee - http://www.pacificcoffee.com/eng/home.php - compete against Starbucks in Hong Kong and watch what they have been doing with their retail spaces. 

There is a fun Pacific Coffee shop in a shopping mall called "Festival Walk" in Kowloon Tong, close to a University, where they have provided a book shelf full of books, desks for students to study with lamps, PCs for internet access, Wifi access (not free), flat screen TVs to watch the news and game machines for kids to play. 

It much, much more than drinking coffee - its a home away from home in a city where space matters :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its been interesting to watch Pacific Coffee - <a href="http://www.pacificcoffee.com/eng/home.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.pacificcoffee.com/eng/home.php</a> - compete against Starbucks in Hong Kong and watch what they have been doing with their retail spaces. </p>
<p>There is a fun Pacific Coffee shop in a shopping mall called &#8220;Festival Walk&#8221; in Kowloon Tong, close to a University, where they have provided a book shelf full of books, desks for students to study with lamps, PCs for internet access, Wifi access (not free), flat screen TVs to watch the news and game machines for kids to play. </p>
<p>It much, much more than drinking coffee - its a home away from home in a city where space matters <img src='http://www.adaptivepath.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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